🎧 The Fragile Glue: Mark Zaid on Whistleblowers, Retaliation, and the Rule of Law

Government Transparency, Security Clearance Battles, and the Future of American Democracy

Former CIA officer Jim Lawler and former FBI senior executive Lauren C. Anderson host Mark Zaid, a renowned national security attorney who has represented whistleblowers, been personally targeted by a presidential clearance revocation, and fought for government transparency for nearly three decades.

They discuss the real difference between a whistleblower and a leaker (using Edward Snowden as a cautionary example), the erosion of democratic norms under the second Trump administration, and why the rule of law has become “water soluble.”

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